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Mickey in the Twilight Zone (TZ) of batting only righty would still have had the highest BA in 1956 over Ted Williams: .358 to .345. Real Mickey hit .353. Previous posts have indicated that Al Kaline would have been first in RBI in 1956 because TZ Mickey would have lost home runs but still finished first in homers. TZ Mickey would have had his personal best in 1964: .419; real Mickey had .303. But, no, TZ Mickey would not have caught Pete Runnels (.326) in 1962; TZ Mickey would have plummeted from .321 to .292. In his final season TZ Mick's BA: .198. He was through.
Real Mickey's career splits by how the pitcher throws:
throws BA
home L .323
home R .294 TZ: .307
road L .338
road R .271 TZ: .323
TZ Mickey's BA batting righty against righty pitchers would have kept him about the same at home but boosted him on the road from .271 to .323.
TZ Mickey would have led in BA: 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957 (.411), 1958, 1961, 1964 (.419). That would have deprived Kaline of his one BA lead in 1955 and Williams of his final two in 1957 and 1958.
Year TZ Real TZ-Real
1951 0.216 0.267 -0.051
1952 0.333 0.311 0.022
1953 0.340 0.295 0.045
1954 0.319 0.300 0.019
1955 0.348 0.306 0.042
1956 0.358 0.353 0.005
1957 0.411 0.365 0.046
1958 0.373 0.304 0.069
1959 0.262 0.285 -0.023
1960 0.333 0.274 0.059
1961 0.366 0.317 0.049
1962 0.292 0.321 -0.029
1963 0.388 0.314 0.074 172 AB
1964 0.419 0.303 0.116
1965 0.253 0.255 -0.002
1966 0.279 0.288 -0.009
1967 0.280 0.245 0.035
1968 0.198 0.237 -0.039
.323 .298 .025
TotTZ Real TZ-Real
See post:
Mickey Mantle: BA home/road v lefty/righty. Tuesday, April 23, 2013
12 comments:
Nice work.
Doing a few sloppy calculations(guesses and surmises)my best guess is Mantle finishes his career batting right handed with numbers very similar to Jimmy Foxx. Maybe a hundred or so more hits, a few less rbi, with about a .329 avg.
Sound right?
Thanks. I'm thinking Mantle batting righty all along becomes the greatest righty hitter of all time.
Do you have a complete breakdown of his stats RT vs Left?
I've been looking for them for a long time.
Marc,
There was a problem with the link in paragraph two, which I corrected. Click it to view lots of details in many tabs. Here is the link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aHmtdCsP0pYpkvhpG7Dr1yFbj7iQP6y7sabz5Jmz0RY/pubhtml
Ken
I totally agree. From the right side Mick was a great hitter. He was more of just a power hitter from the left side. I also agree that MM would have won multiple batting crowns.
You don't know baseball. When most right-hand hitters face a right-hand pitcher, the average suffers. The same is true for the opposite (left batter against left pitcher). This is the basic idea of switch hitting. Mantle's lifetime average would have been LOWER if he weren't a switch hitter.
Lance, calm down. I can see how this post could be misinterpreted. TZ or Twilight Zone Mickey is used in several posts in this series. The other commitments show agreement with me because they read the other posts in which I penalize Mickey the percent difference for all righty batters against righty pitchers each season. If they did 8 percent worse against righty pitchers, I reduced Mantle's numbers by 8 percent, which were still way higher than what he did lefty against righty pitchers.
Correction above: comments, not commitments.
You have to look at the affect of expansion from 8teams in each league(154gm)yes7×22.to 9×18(162gm)withthe expansion teams being below TripleAstandards. And the begining of the draft.1964,?before that a team could sign any one they wanted hence the latin player sign for less money no free agency. Who would want to play if you had to get another job in off season .the players that make to the majors or for that matter signed to play oro ball agree. To be used to sell alcohol and tobacco. And every thing else that the broadcasters newspapers want to sell you. Mantle was and so were a lot of others players coaches .and people in the booth.alcoholics
"expansion teams being below TripleAstandards": prove it. Angels finished third in 1962, their second season. In NL Mets won the World Series in 1969, their eighth season.
"Who would want to play if you had to get another job in off season" Pretty much most players did that before free agency.
Calling many people alcoholics is irresponsible.
Consider the source: "Unknown" is clearly a moron, judging from his nearly indecipherable comment.
Hmmm.... makes me wonder how TZ Mickey would have done if he had hit only righty on the road (and at home did as the Real Mickey did, taking advantage of that short porch.)
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