Saturday, June 1, 2024

Benny Kauff (Ty Cobb of Federal League) and Josh Gibson (Babe Ruth of Negro Leagues).

Minor league stars can fail in MLB. Consider that in evaluating Negro League players. Wednesday, December 23, 2020

Let's look at two PCL stars: Gene Lillard and Ox Eckhardt. Their ages in 1935 were 21 and 33 respectively.

Lillard played 1932-1942 (break, probably for military service in WWII), 1946-1954 (age 40). Including the 56 PCL home runs he hit in 1935, Lillard hit 345 minor league home runs in 6,900 AB with a .303 BA...

Lillard hit zero home runs in 44 MLB AB.

Ox Eckhardt led the PCL in BA in 1932, 1933 (.414 in 760 AB), 1935; second in 1934 at .378 in 707 AB; third in 1931 at .369 in 745 AB. Eckhardt played 1926, 1928-1940 (age 38)...

Neither Lillard or Eckhardt would be considered MLB caliber players, certainly not Hall of Famers. The difference between them and the Negro League players in those years is that Lillard or Eckhardt had the opportunity. If they hadn't tried and failed in MLB, we might assume that Lillard or Eckhardt would have performed at their same high minor league level in MLB. That would be a mistake.

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Photo of Benny Kauff

Benny Kauff

Position: Centerfielder

Bats: Left  •  Throws: Left

5-8157lb (173cm, 71kg)

Born: January 51890 in Pomeroy, OH us

Died: November 171961 (Aged 71-316d) in Columbus, OH






Benny Kauff played his first two full seasons in the Federal League, where he was a star. In both seasons Kauff led the FL in BA, OBP, OPS. In year two Kauff also led in SLG and OPS+ (180).

YearAgeTmLgGPAABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+TBGDP
191222NYYAL514114300021030.273.429.273.701973
191424INDFL1546695711202114413895757255.370.447.534.981165305
191525BTTFL1365814839216523111283558550.342.446.509.955180246
191626NYGNL15463255271146221597440266865.264.348.408.756138225
191727NYGNL15364455989172224569305954.308.379.388.767138217
191828NYGNL67294270418519423991630.315.355.437.792142118
191929NYGNL135544491731362771067213945.277.334.422.756126207
192030NYGNL551881573143123326372514.274.380.446.82613770
8 Yr8 Yr8 Yr8 Yr85935663094521961169574945523433367313.311.389.450.8381491391

Kauff then played five more seasons for the New York Giants in the National League, where he was very good but not great as he had been in the FL.

OPS+:
FL: 172
NL: 136

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/Benny-Kauff/

Dubbed “The Ty Cobb of the Federal League,” Kauff was the most heralded young player of his generation, a five-tool star whose unique combination of speed and power defied his stocky 5’8″ frame. Though he performed well in the National League’s faster company, Kauff never did match the high expectations he and others had set for him, and his career ended prematurely in 1921 with his controversial banishment from the game...

“Kauff is the premier slugger, premier fielder, premier base stealer and best all-round player in the league,” Sporting Life gushed. “He is being called a second Ty Cobb, yet there are many followers of the Federal clubs who say that within next season Kauff will play rings around the Georgia Peach.” According to sportswriter Frank Graham, Kauff loved the publicity “and cheerfully agreed that he was at least Ty’s equal, if not his superior, for he was not bound by false modesty.” ...

Judged against the hype, Kauff was a huge disappointment in his first year in New York...

He managed to steal some headlines in the 1917 World’s Series when his two home runs propelled New York to a Game Four victory.

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Note: Kauff was banned by Commissioner Landis for reasons of "character and reputation". You can read about it in the SABR bio but it is not pertinent to his performance on the field.

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Baseball Reference shows a hint of sanity on Negro Leagues data added to MLB: Josh Gibson does not qualify for BA, SLG, OPS.  Thursday, May 30, 2024

Josh Gibson 37th in Plate Appearances in Negro Leagues. And NOT highest season BA!  Wednesday, May 29, 2024

Gibson's highest BA and SLG came in 1943 

I just found something that impacts the MLB narrative about Gibson also having the season record for BA.

Gibson's highest BA is in 1943 when he had his highest AB and PA: .466.


But it's not black ink. If someone in NN2 had a higher BA in 1943, shouldn't that player be recognized? ...

1943: .466 (2nd).

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Negro National League II Detailed Standings 1943

RkTmWLTiesW-L%GBGBsumRRARdiff
1Homestead Grays53141.791--7.83.93.9
2New York Cubans19141.57617.017.06.24.12.0
3Harrisburg Stars880.50019.522.04.94.60.2
4Newark Eagles26320.44822.531.05.55.9-0.4
5Baltimore Elite Giants18263.40923.535.04.46.4-1.9
6Philadelphia Stars21311.40424.540.06.56.50.0
7New York Black Yankees4242.14329.570.04.29.0-4.8

Homestead Grays played 68 games but other teams played far fewer. Harrisburg played only 16.

Josh Gibson is credited with playing 69 games, one more than the team.

Grays SS Sam Bankhead is credited with leading the league with 71 games, three more than the team.

So there are two basic problems with evaluating Josh Gibson and jumping to conclusions:

The data, what little there is, is junk. And the issue of official scoring is not addressed.

You cannot assume that a player will perform at the major league level as well as he did in seperate and likely lower quality leagues.

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