The players from each group receiving the most votes will be revealed on
July 14 at the All-Star Game in Cincinnati - 7:30pm ET on FOX
This post is really a continuation of the previous. Rather than quote from it, please read it:
FOUR GREATEST LIVING PLAYERS IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL HISTORY Friday, April 10, 2015
The titles with all caps are from the mlb.com. The entire mess is so ill conceived that I suspect that it must have originated in the Selig regime. Even Manfred, the A-Rod Slayer, has more common sense than this.
I won't attempt to pick four players for each franchise. To spare you considerable bouncing around the mlb.com pages that contain their eight candidates for each franchise, I've created a matrix which is below and can be viewed by clicking this link.
Here is a key to my observations with more below the matrix:
Players names in red were such terrible choices that I could not resist pointing that out. Expansion teams, those created after 1960, are ignored for the most part. The mlb.com wording has both top and most impactful. My choice for the best player per franchise is BOLD and the cell has a thicker border. In case it's not clear my fourth choice for "greatest living player" is one who was missing from the mlb.com candidates: Alex Rodriguez. Rodriguez was not a candidate for any team, which suggests Selig's influence. The first line is for the greatest living players. Then come the teams listed in their current divisions as they are on mlb.com for the vote. Names to the right of the eight candidates are my suggestions and labeled "missing".
|Living||Hank Aaron||Johnny Bench||Barry Bonds||Rickey Henderson||Sandy Koufax||Pedro Martinez||Willie Mays||Tom Seaver||Living||Alex Rodriguez||Albert Pujols|
|Orioles||Paul Blair||Dave McNally||Eddie Murray||Jim Palmer||Boog Powell||Cal Ripken||Brooks Robinson||Frank Robinson||Orioles||Ken Singleton||Bobby Grich|
|Red Sox||Dwight Evans||Carlton Fisk||Pedro Martinez||David Ortiz||Jim Rice||Ted Williams||Carl Yastrzemski||Cy Young||Red Sox||Joe Cronin||Wade Boggs|
|Yankees||Yogi Berra||Joe DiMaggio||Whitey Ford||Lou Gehrig||Derek Jeter||Mickey Mantle||Mariano Rivera||Babe Ruth||Yankees||Bill Dickey|
|Rays||Carl Crawford||Scott Kazmir||Evan Longoria||Carlos Pena||David Price||James Shields||B.J. Upton||Ben Zobrist||Rays|
|Blue Jays||Roberto Alomar||Jose Bautista||George Bell||Joe Carter||Carlos Delgado||Tony Fernandez||Roy Halliday||Dave Stieb||Blue Jays|
|White Sox||Luis Aparicio||Luke Appling||Harold Baines||Eddie Collins||Nellie Fox||Paul Konerko||Minnie Minoso||Frank Thomas||White Sox||Richie Allen||Carlton Fisk|
|Indians||Earl Averill||Lou Boudreau||Larry Doby||Bob Feller||Nap Lajoie||Tris Speaker||Jim Thome||Omar Vizquel||Indians||Al Rosen||Rocky Colavito|
|Tigers||Miguel Cabrera||Ty Cobb||Sam Crawford||Charlie Gehringer||Hank Greenberg||Al Kaline||Alan Trammell||Justin Verlander||Tigers||Harry Heilmann|
|Royals||George Brett||Alex Gordon||Hal McRae||Amos Otis||Dan Quisenberry||Bret Saberhagen||Frank White||Willie Wilson||Royals|
|Twins||Bert Blyleven||Rod Carew||Walter Johnson||Jim Kaat||Harmon Killebrew||Joe Mauer||Tony Oliva||Kirby Puckett||Twins||Joe Cronin||Johan Santana||Camilo Pascual|
|Astros||Jeff Bagwell||Lance Berkman||Craig Biggio||Jose Cruz||J.R. Richards||Nolan Ryan||Mike Scott||Jimmy Wynn||Astros|
|Angels||Garret Anderson||Brian Downing||Chuck Finley||Jim Fregosi||Vladimir Guerrero||Nolan Ryan||Tim Salmon||Mike Trout||Angels||Jim Edmonds||Bobby Grich|
|As||Dennis Eckersley||Rollie Fingers||Jimmie Foxx||Lefty Grove||Rickey Henderson||Catfish Hunter||Reggie Jackson||Al Simmons||As||Jose Canseco||Mark McGwire|
|Mariners||Jay Buhner||Alvin Davis||Ken Griffey, Jr.||Felix Hernandez||Randy Johnson||Edgar Martinez||Jamie Moyer||Ichiro Suzuki||Mariners||Alex Rodriguez|
|Rangers||Adrian Beltre||Juan Gonzalez||Josh Hamilton||Frank Howard||Rafael Palmiero||Ivan Rodriguez||Nolan Ryan||Micheal Young||Rangers||Alex Rodriguez|
|Braves||Hank Aaron||Tom Glavine||Chipper Jones||Greg Maddux||Eddie Mathews||Dale Murphy||John Smoltz||Warren Spahn||Braves||Andruw Jones||Joe Torre|
|Marlins||Josh Beckett||Luis Castillo||Jeff Conine||Livan Hernandez||Charles Johnson||Mike Lowell||Gary Sheffield||Giancarlo Stanton||Marlins|
|Mets||Gary Carter||John Franco||Dwight Gooden||Keith Hernandez||Mike Piazza||Tom Seaver||Darryl Strawberry||David Wright||Mets||Carlos Beltran||Edgardo Alfonzo||Jose Reyes|
|Phillies||Richie Ashburn||Jim Bunning||Steve Carlton||Chuck Klein||Robin Roberts||Jimmy Rollins||Mike Schmidt||Chase Utley||Phillies||Richie Allen|
|Nationals||Gary Carter||Andre Dawson||Vladimir Guerrero||Dennis Martinez||Tim Raines||Steve Rogers||Rusty Staub||Ryan Zimmerman||Nationals|
|Cubs||Ernie Banks||Three Finger Brown||Gabby Hartnett||Ferguson Jenkins||Ryne Sandberg||Ron Santo||Sammy Sosa||Billy Williams||Cubs||Hack Wilson||Cap Anson|
|Reds||Johnny Bench||Dave Concepcion||Eric Davis||Barry Larkin||Joe Morgan||Tony Perez||Frank Robinson||Pete Rose||Reds||George Foster|
|Brewers||Ryan Braun||Cecil Cooper||Prince Fielder||Rollie Fingers||Jim Gantner||Paul Molitor||Gorman Thomas||Robin Yount||Brewers||Ben Oglivie|
|Pirates||Barry Bonds||Roberto Clemente||Ralph Kiner||Bill Mazeroski||Willie Stargell||Pie Traynor||Honus Wagner||Paul Waner||Pirates||Arky Vaughan||Max Carey||Dave Parker|
|Cardinals||Lou Brock||Dizzy Dean||Bob Gibson||Rogers Hornsby||Stan Musial||Albert Pujols||Red Schoendienst||Ozzie Smith||Cardinals||Ken Boyer||Enos Slaughter||Ted Simmons||Johnny Mize||Jim Edmonds|
|D'Backs||Steve Finley||Paul Goldschmidt||Luis Gonzalez||Mark Grace||Randy Johnson||Curt Schilling||Brandon Webb||Matt Williams||D'Backs|
|Rockies||Dante Bichette||Vinny Castilla||Andres Galarraga||Carlos Gonzalez||Todd Helton||Matt Holliday||Troy Tulowitzki||Larry Walker||Rockies|
|Dodgers||Roy Campanella||Don Drysdale||Steve Garvey||Clayton Kershaw||Sandy Koufax||Jackie Robinson||Duke Snider||Fernando Valenzuela||Dodgers||Gil Hodges||Pee Wee Reese||Zack Wheat|
|Padres||Nate Colbert||Steve Garvey||Adrian Gonzalez||Tony Gwynn||Trevor Hoffman||Randy Jones||Jake Peavy||Dave Winfield||Padres||Ken Caminiti|
|Giants||Barry Bonds||Orlando Cepeda||Juan Marichal||Christy Mathewson||Willie Mays||Willie McCovey||Mel Ott||Buster Posey||Giants||Carl Hubbell||Bill Terry|
My friend Eric sent this:
The top 5 players in career WAR not listed any where on any ballot:
1) Roger Clemens (8th in WAR)
2) Alex Rodriguez (17th)
3) Phil Niekro (34th)
4) Wade Boggs (42nd)
5) Gaylord Perry (43rd)
Total number of active players on the lists: 33
Ortiz, Crawford*, Kazmir*, Longoria, Price*, Shields*, M.Upton*, Zobrist*, Bautista, Mi.Cabrera, Verlander, Gordon, Mauer, Trout, F.Hernandez, I.Suzuki*, A.Beltre, Hamilton*, Stanton, Wright, Rollins*, Utley, Zimmerman, Braun, Fielder*, Pujols*, Goldschmidt, C.Gonzalez, Holliday*, Tulowitzki, A.Gonzalez*, Peavy*, Posey
*indicates not playing for the team where he's listed on the ballot
The Rays have 7 active players on their ballot, and only one of them still plays for the team (Longoria).
I mentioned Boggs and Niekro (not being candidates for any franchise), but Clemens and A-Rod?? Soviet style ballots, they never existed.
Carlton Fisk played more for the White Sox than for the Red Sox but is a candidate only for the Red Sox. However, Wade Boggs is not a Red Sox candidate.
Steve Garvey is a candidate for the Dodgers but Gil Hodges is not. Garvey is also a candidate for the Padres. Garvey is more recent and alive.
As mentioned is the previous post Mariano Rivera is a Yankee candidate but Bill Dickey is not.
Four of the eight Braves candidates are pitchers: Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, oh, and Warren Spahn.
I never met a Met fan who knew what he was talking about. Sunday, June 24, 2012
Will Rogers said "I never met a man I didn't like". I say:
I never met a Met fan who knew what he was talking about ... or a Boston fan of any sport...
I had already heard about the all time Met team, which seemed like junk with Cardinal Keith Hernandez at first base. Neither the Mets, nor their fans have any real history or tradition even after that expansion team has been around for fifty years...
There does not appear to be any eligibility criteria for making the all time Met team. I'll suggest some common sense stuff.
1. Play at least half your career with the team or at least play more games with the team than with any other team. That seems pretty reasonable but obviously beyond the grasp of Met fans who are embracing a CARDINAL as their first baseman. A CARDINAL!
2. Play at least eight full seasons with the team. Let's use the very weak criteria for qualifying for leadership in annual averages: 502 plate appearances (PA). Let's simplify that and round it to 4,000 PA. Pretty lenient, right?
1st base Keith Hernandez 3,684 (PA) 129 (OPS+) (CARDINAL 4,724 130; MVP; led in BA)
You guessed it. Keith Hernandez is a Met candidate but not a Cardinal candidate. You can't make up stuff like this.
Most of the traditional teams have easy picks for best, top, most impactful player:
Red Sox - Ted Williams
Yankees - Babe Ruth
White Sox - Eddie Collins
Indians - Tris Speaker
Tigers _ Ty Cobb
Twins/Senators - Harmon Killebrew
As - Jimmie Foxx
Braves - Hank Aaron
Phillies - Mike Schmidt
Cubs - Ernie Banks
Reds - Johnny Bench
Pirates - Honus Wagner
Cardinals - Stan Musial
Giants - Willie Mays