Monday, September 14, 2015

If Mickey Mantle had retired after 1964, he'd be an even bigger legend.

baseball-reference.com has this cool feature under "Finders and Advanced Stats" then "Advanced Stats" for a player.  It has cumulative data by year and here it is for Mickey Mantle. Note 1964, Mantle's 14th season when he was still only 32 years old.
Mickey Mantle 1962 Baseball Guide and Record Book by J. G. Taylor Spink [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

To view, click the link above and cruise down to:

Cumulative Batting

YearAgeGPAABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+TBGDPHBP
1951199638634161911151365874374.267.349.443.79211715130
1952202381012890155262481236152128118185.294.377.497.87414544280
195321365155213512603987215572442012197275.295.384.497.881145671100
195422511220318943895618927843462514299382.296.391.505.896149956130
19552365828412411510719114381214453315412479.298.400.528.9281561272173
19562480834932944642907136431735754316524578.308.412.560.9721661648215
195725952411634187631080164492076695919670653.316.427.5741.0021741963265
1958261102477039378901238185502497667722799773.314.430.5771.0061762270377
1959271246541044789941392208542808419825892899.311.425.569.9941732548449
19602813996054500511131537225603209351122810031024.307.422.568.99017228425510
196129155267005519124417002416637410631242911291136.308.425.5791.00417531955710
196230167572025896134018212566740411521332912511214.309.429.5811.00917634236111
196331174074156068138018752646741911871353012911246.309.429.5821.01117735306611
196432188379826533147220162896945412981413313901348.309.429.5821.01117738057511
196533200584176894151621083017047313441453414631424.306.426.5761.00217539688611
196634211388107227155622043137149614001463515201500.305.425.574.99817541479511
196735225793637667161923123307151814551473616271613.302.423.566.988173433810412
196836240199108102167624153447253615091533817331710.298.421.557.977172451111313
Provided by Baseball-Reference.comView Original Table
Generated 7/26/2024.

In 1965-1968, Mantle's final seasons, neither Mantle nor the Yankees did much that was especially noteworthy. The Yankees did not even contend for a pennant.  Division play began in 1969, the year after Mantle retired.  Mantle would not have been tarnished with those losing teams after being on 12 pennant winners.  The demise of the Yankees would have been directly attributed to the absence of Mantle.

The only major milestone reached by Mantle was home run number 500 in 1967.  All things considered, The Mick would have been much better off by leaving while he was still at or near the top of the American League.  Mantle already had three MVP awards (1956, 1957, 1962) and three seconds (1960, 1961, 1964).

In 1964 Mantle broke his tie at 15 with Babe Ruth for career World Series home runs with a walk off winner in game three, then homered in games 6 and 7 with his team facing elimination in each game.  WS homer 18 was off Bob Gibson.  With the Yanks facing elimination in game 4 of the 1963 WS Mantle homered off Sandy Koufax in the 7th inning to tie the game 1-1.

Mick had 454 home runs through 1964, one more than Willie Mays in many fewer at bats (AB): Mays 7,036, Mantle 6,533.  In 1965 Mays hit 52 homers to zoom past Mantle.  In retirement, there would have been the speculation, no matter how unrealistic, that Mantle might have matched Mays.

For combined seasons, up to 1964, Playing in the AL or NL, in the regular season, requiring At Bats >= 0 and Home Runs >= 400, sorted by descending Home Runs.


Provided by Stathead.comFound with Stathead. See Full Results.
Generated 7/26/2024.

Mantle's batting average would have remained well over .300: .309.  His OPS would have been over 1.000: 1.011.  Mantle's slugging average would have been higher than that of Joe DiMaggio (.582 to .579) and the length of their careers much closer: plate appearances: Mantle 7,979, DiMaggio 7,673.

Unfortunately, in 1964 Mantle passed Babe Ruth in career strike outs: 1,348 to 1,330. Mantle's SO total through 1968 was 1,710. That was passed in 1978 by Willie Stargell: 1,746. See "Progessive" leaders:


Updated 7/26/2024 to show cumulative stats for Mantle's entire career, not stopping at 1964.

2 comments:

Dan G said...

That lifetime .582 slugging percentage and 1.011 OPS would definitely be super impressive numbers for baseball talk had the Mick walked away a still at the top of his game after 1964. However, the Mick was still so good in 64 it seems quite unlikely that he would not at least try for it in 65. Could you post the same lifetime totals after the 65 season? At that point maybe he could have realistically hung them up based on performance. Just a thought...The Mick Forevor!

Kenneth Matinale said...

Cumulative through 1965:

BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
.306 .426 .576 1.002 175

baseball-reference.com has this cool "Cumulative Batting" under "Finders and Advanced Stats" then "Advanced Stats" for a player. It has the data year by year ...