WAR:
Trout 64.3
Jackson 62.2
Robinson 61.4
So what the heck are people talking about when they mindlessly throw these WAR numbers around?
| Rk | Player | PA | WAR/pos | From | To | Age | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | Tm | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Pete Rose | 15890 | 79.7 | 1963 | 1986 | 22-45 | 3562 | 14053 | 2165 | 4256 | 746 | 135 | 160 | 1314 | 1566 | 167 | 1143 | 107 | 56 | 79 | 247 | 198 | 149 | .303 | .375 | .409 | .784 | 37549H/8 | CIN-PHI-MON |
| 2 | Carl Yastrzemski | 13992 | 96.4 | 1961 | 1983 | 21-43 | 3308 | 11988 | 1816 | 3419 | 646 | 59 | 452 | 1844 | 1845 | 190 | 1393 | 40 | 13 | 105 | 323 | 168 | 116 | .285 | .379 | .462 | .841 | *73D8/H59 | BOS |
| 3 | Hank Aaron | 13941 | 143.0 | 1954 | 1976 | 20-42 | 3298 | 12364 | 2174 | 3771 | 624 | 98 | 755 | 2297 | 1402 | 293 | 1383 | 32 | 21 | 121 | 328 | 240 | 73 | .305 | .374 | .555 | .928 | *9783DH/45 | MLN-ATL-MIL |
| 4 | Rickey Henderson | 13346 | 111.2 | 1979 | 2003 | 20-44 | 3081 | 10961 | 2295 | 3055 | 510 | 66 | 297 | 1115 | 2190 | 61 | 1694 | 98 | 30 | 67 | 172 | 1406 | 335 | .279 | .401 | .419 | .820 | *78HD/9 | NYY-TOR-OAK-SDP-ANA-NYM-SEA-BOS-LAD |
| 5 | Ty Cobb | 13099 | 151.0 | 1905 | 1928 | 18-41 | 3034 | 11439 | 2243 | 4189 | 724 | 295 | 117 | 1944 | 1249 | 680 | 94 | 292 | 897 | 212 | .366 | .433 | .512 | .945 | *89/H73415 | DET-PHA | |||
| 6 | Cal Ripken Jr. | 12883 | 95.9 | 1981 | 2001 | 20-40 | 3001 | 11551 | 1647 | 3184 | 603 | 44 | 431 | 1695 | 1129 | 107 | 1305 | 66 | 10 | 127 | 350 | 36 | 39 | .276 | .340 | .447 | .788 | *65/DH | BAL |
| 7 | Eddie Murray | 12817 | 68.7 | 1977 | 1997 | 21-41 | 3026 | 11336 | 1627 | 3255 | 560 | 35 | 504 | 1917 | 1333 | 222 | 1516 | 18 | 2 | 128 | 315 | 110 | 43 | .287 | .359 | .476 | .836 | *3D/H57 | BAL-LAD-NYM-CLE-ANA |
| 8 | Stan Musial | 12718 | 128.2 | 1941 | 1963 | 20-42 | 3026 | 10972 | 1949 | 3630 | 725 | 177 | 475 | 1951 | 1599 | 298 | 696 | 53 | 35 | 53 | 243 | 78 | 71 | .331 | .417 | .559 | .976 | 3798H/1 | STL |
| 9 | Barry Bonds | 12606 | 162.8 | 1986 | 2007 | 21-42 | 2986 | 9847 | 2227 | 2935 | 601 | 77 | 762 | 1996 | 2558 | 688 | 1539 | 106 | 4 | 91 | 165 | 514 | 141 | .298 | .444 | .607 | 1.051 | *78H/D9 | PIT-SFG |
| 10 | Derek Jeter | 12602 | 72.4 | 1995 | 2014 | 21-40 | 2747 | 11195 | 1923 | 3465 | 544 | 66 | 260 | 1311 | 1082 | 39 | 1840 | 170 | 97 | 58 | 287 | 358 | 97 | .310 | .377 | .440 | .817 | *6/DH | NYY |
| Rank | Player (yrs, age) | WAR Position Players | Bats |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Barry Bonds (22) | 162.8 | L |
| 2. | Babe Ruth+ (22) | 162.1 | L |
| 3. | Willie Mays+ (22) | 156.4 | R |
| 4. | Ty Cobb+ (24) | 151.0 | L |
| 5. | Hank Aaron+ (23) | 143.0 | R |
| 6. | Tris Speaker+ (22) | 134.1 | L |
| 7. | Honus Wagner+ (21) | 130.8 | R |
| 8. | Stan Musial+ (22) | 128.2 | L |
| 9. | Rogers Hornsby+ (23) | 127.0 | R |
| 10. | Eddie Collins+ (25) | 124.0 | L |
| Rank | Player (yrs, age) | Offensive WAR | Bats |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Babe Ruth+ (22) | 154.3 | L |
| 2. | Ty Cobb+ (24) | 151.2 | L |
| 3. | Barry Bonds (22) | 143.7 | L |
| 4. | Willie Mays+ (22) | 136.8 | R |
| 5. | Hank Aaron+ (23) | 132.4 | R |
| 6. | Ted Williams+ (19) | 126.4 | L |
| 7. | Stan Musial+ (22) | 124.8 | L |
| 8. | Tris Speaker+ (22) | 124.2 | L |
| 9. | Honus Wagner+ (21) | 123.3 | R |
| 10. | Rogers Hornsby+ (23) | 121.8 | R |
| Rank | Player (yrs, age) | Defensive WAR | Bats |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Ozzie Smith+ (19) | 44.2 | B |
| 2. | Mark Belanger (18) | 39.5 | R |
| 3. | Brooks Robinson+ (23) | 39.1 | R |
| 4. | Cal Ripken+ (21) | 35.7 | R |
| 5. | Joe Tinker+ (15) | 34.3 | R |
| 6. | Luis Aparicio+ (18) | 31.8 | R |
| 7. | Rabbit Maranville+ (23) | 30.8 | R |
| 8. | Ivan Rodriguez+ (21) | 29.6 | R |
| 9. | Omar Vizquel (24) | 29.5 | B |
| 10. | Adrian Beltre (21) | 29.3 | R |
| Rank | Player (yrs, age) | WAR for Pitchers | Throws |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Cy Young+ (22) | 165.6 | R |
| 2. | Walter Johnson+ (21) | 151.6 | R |
| 3. | Roger Clemens (24) | 138.7 | R |
| 4. | Kid Nichols+ (15) | 116.5 | R |
| 5. | Pete Alexander+ (20) | 115.9 | R |
| 6. | Lefty Grove+ (17) | 113.3 | L |
| 7. | Tom Seaver+ (20) | 106.0 | R |
| 8. | Greg Maddux+ (23) | 104.8 | R |
| 9. | Randy Johnson+ (22) | 103.5 | L |
| 10. | Christy Mathewson+ (17) | 97.6 | R |
Batting average (BA) finally slipped into disrepute but at least it let baseball fans realize that Pete Rose was not the best hitter because he had the most hits. This was obscured when Ty Cobb had both the most hits and also the highest BA. Rose also had the most Outs.
Baseball fans tended to forget all that when 3,000 Hits were mentioned. But the stat that has been king of totals is still Home Runs (HR). All you hear are totals:
50 HR
60 HR
61 HR
70 HR
73 HR
500 HR
714 HR
755 HR
762 HR
Totals, not averages. Now we are buried in WAR. Compounding that confusion:
Pitching WAR only covers pitching, not batting, base running, fielding.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_career.shtml
Wins Above Replacement for position players A single number that presents the number of wins the player added to the team above what a replacement player (think AAA or AAAA) would add. Scale: 8+ MVP Quality, 5+ All-Star Quality, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Reserve, < 0 Replacement Level Developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_off_career.shtml
Offensive Wins Above Replacement (everything but Fielding) The same statistic as Wins Above Replacement for Position Players (WAR), but with the fielding value excluded. oWAR + dWAR does not equal WAR. Adding would count positions twice. Contains the factor for batting stats, baserunning, a positional adjustment, and the replacement player adjustment. Factors developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_def_career.shtml
Defensive Wins Above Replacement for position players A defensive measure of wins above replacement, but given only the defensive stats of the player and his position adjustment. For this calculation, we use a replacement level on defense is the league average. Based on Baseball Info Solutions defensive runs saved from 2003 on and total zone rating developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com previously
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_pitch_career.shtml
Wins Above Replacement for Pitchers A single number that presents the number of wins the player added to the team above what a replacement player (think AAA or AAAA) would add. This value includes defensive support and includes additional value for high leverage situations. Scale: 8+ MVP Quality, 5+ All-Star Quality, 2+ Starter, 0-2 Reserve, < 0 Replacement Level Developed by Sean Smith of BaseballProjection.com
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Pitching WAR does not include the pitcher's batting, fielding or base running.
Babe Ruth WAR, including pitching, greater than Barry Bonds WAR. Friday, March 22, 2019
Babe Ruth's cumulative career WAR as a pitcher: 20.3. That puts Ruth way ahead of Bonds:
Ruth: 162.1 + 20.3 = 182.4
Bonds: 162.8
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But all this confusing stuff, with all the questionable fielding stats, are still totals. Totals favor longevity, as in Pete Rose having more hits (and outs) than Ty Cobb. Hank Aaron (12,364 AB) having more Home Runs than Babe Ruth (8,399 AB).
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