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Wednesday, April 5, 2017

Would Angels trade Mike Trout for Yankee minor leaguers acquired for Chapman, Miller, Beltran in 2016?

Put up or shut up. Instead of nonsense like that described in the Times article today, the New York Yankees should trade for the best player, Mike Trout, in exchange for the minor league acquisitions the Yankees got for tanking the 2016 season when they traded Aroldis Chapman, Andrew Miller and Carlos Beltran.

With a New Breed of Fans, Even the Yankees Must Adapt
By FILIP BONDYAPRIL 4, 2017 nytimes.com
... the Yankees unveiled the stadium’s new features, which include a picnic area, refreshment terraces, charging stations for personal devices, a lounge equipped with televisions tuned to other sports events, and a children’s playground complete with breast-feeding facilities. The idea is to offer more options and to cater more to families, officials said, in response to surveys sent out during the past few seasons...
Unspoken on this media tour was the threat that the resurgent Mets are making ...
... a Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that 45 percent of New York fans now favor the Mets, compared with 43 percent for the Yankees, which is well within the 3.6 percent margin of error.
So it is a virtual tie, which should be further evidence that the Yankees need to do something — sooner than later — to resist the Queens incursion...
The Yankees have also introduced so-called dynamic pricing, which alters the cost of tickets based on supply and demand.


Lower prices or at least flexible prices are good but not instead of getting star players, who both draw fans and increase chances of winning, which draws fans, which increases revenue to pay more star players, which ...

The two top "prospects" among the ten minor league players received by the Yankees were Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier.

Brian Cashman sucks despite conventional wisdom support in fangraphs.com, etc. Monday, April 3, 2017

For the umpteenth time Yankee general manager Brian Cashman delayed getting the Yankees under the cap between the 2013 and 2014 by his ridiculous knee jerk signing of free agents Jacoby Ellsbury, Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran.

Why is Gleyber Torres rated 7th best prospect by fangraphs.com? Old time scouting? Thursday, March 23, 2017

Why is Clint Frazier rated 34th best prospect by fangraphs.com? How valuable are "prospects"? Sunday, March 19, 2017 ...

Why I'm skeptical about Yankee "prospects" Judge, Frazier, Torres. Friday, February 17, 2017

Let's put aside whether getting Mike Trout makes the most sense. Let's concentrate on whether the players the Yankees received, which supposedly has made them much more competitive, are good enough to get the one and only best player in the world.

So, let's start with the two hot shots, Torres and Frazier. Would the Angels trade Trout for them? Would the Angels even consider that deal? Would the Angels consider it a valid offer or some kind of unprofessional joke?

Let's now go straight to the other extreme: offer all TEN minor league "prospects" for Trout. The Angels might take that seriously. For one thing they could pretend that they are making the trade to rebuild their depleted minor league system and not merely dumping the $34 million the Angels owe Trout for each season starting in 2018, 2019, 2020.

But would the Angels accept the ten, especially since NONE of the Yankee "prospects" seems anything like a sure thing such as Andrew Benintendi of Boston or Alex Bregman of Houston, neither of whom Brian Cashman even tried to get for Chapman, Miller, Beltran. Maybe because Cashman knew he had to settle for a bunch of much lesser "prospects".

As I've been telling my fellow Yankee fan friends: it's not like the Army. You can't outnumber the enemy. Getting four for your one means that each of those four is less than the one. It's basic common sense. Cashman has become a master of trading his one for four. He's piling up a lot of players who are not major league quality now and most of whom are not likely to become impact major league players, much less stars.

Except for Barry Bonds, who has the PED asterisk tattooed on his ass, Mike Trout is the greatest player since Mickey Mantle came up in 1951. If the Yankees can get Mike Trout for ten or twenty "regular" minor league players, they should make that deal and pay Trout. Then Yankee fans would come to the ball park ... to see the second coming of Mickey Mantle and to see Trout lead the Yankees to championships. Trout:

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  2. Frank Robinson (957.8) *  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
  3. Mickey Mantle (941.3) *  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10
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YearAgeTmSalarySrvTmSourcesNotes/Other Sources
201321Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$510,0001.070contracts
201422Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$1,000,0002.070contracts
201523Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$6,083,0003.070contracts
201624Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$16,083,0004.070
201725Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$20,083,0005.070
201826Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$34,083,000
201927Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$34,083,000
202028Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim$34,085,000
Earliest Free Agent: 2021
Career to date (may be incomplete)$23,676,000Does not include future salaries ($122.3M)


Michael Lynch said...

Ken, you make some interesting points on prospects value on several different articles. But why would Boston or Houston who have talented young cores trade Benitendi or Bregman for more prospects when they have starting positions for each of them? Trades have to make sense for both sides

Kenneth Matinale said...

The point is to suggest relative value, not actual trades.

Michael Lynch said...

Misunderstood your point there, probably due to inebriation. You're right, Chapman, Beltran and Miller are not Mike Trout and the prospect value would be way different.