Wednesday, June 1, 2022

TWO 10 WAR teammates same year?

WAR (Wins Above Replacement) is a total.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/about/war_explained.shtml

Data is from stathead.com via baseball-reference.com American League and National League 1903-2021. Click this link to view all the data.

This post uses but does not endorse WAR.

MVP: should money be considered? Thursday, November 8, 2012

Miguel Cabrera v. Mike Trout.  Cabrera is a classic great hitter who does not contribute in any other significant way.  Trout is a rookie whom I've compared to Mickey Mantle.

Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Mike Trout: Mickey Mantle 1952? ...

In 2012 Cabrera became the first player in 45 years ... the traditional triple crown...

But here's the point that none of us has considered: money.  How much money did their respective teams allocate to each of these individuals and what players could have been on the Tiger and Angel rosters because of that difference in money spent to pay Cabrera and Trout...

salary / WAR = $$$ per WAR:
Trout $500,000 / 10.7 = $46,729
Cano $14,000,000 / 8.2 = $1,707,317
Cabrera $21,000,000 / 6.9  = $3,043,478

Well, that puts MVP into an entirely different perspective.

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Start each inning with the top of the order, at least in EXTRA innings. Make Mike Trout's salary worth it. Friday, May 27, 2022

Mike Trout was a 10 WAR (Wins Above Replacement) player when he was a 2012 rookie being paid the minimum of about half a million dollars. Now that he is getting $37 million and can't be much more than a 10 WAR player, Trout is one 74th as valuable. As a rookie 10 WAR player, that $36.5 million difference could have been paid to teammates. As much as I like Trout, there is no way to justify his receiving so much of his team's payroll for such a limited impact. He could go days without an impact PA.

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Mike Trout's highest WAR:
2012: 10.5
2016: 10.5
2018: 9.9
2015: 9.6
2013: 8.9

In 2012 Trout's Angels team had Albert Pujols, so maybe they thought that they already had another 10 WAR player. Pujols was in his first year of a long term contract with the Angels. But in 2012 Pujols OPS+ was 138, the highest it would be with the Angels. In 12 years with the Cardinals, Pujols had an OPS+ 170. In his entire career Pujols highest WAR was 9.7 with the Cardinals in 2009; second highest: 9.2 in 2008. Pujols highest WAR with the Angels: 2012: 4.8; negative WAR in 2017 and 2021. Pujols Angels contract went from $12 million in 2012 (24 times Trout's) to $30 million in 2021.

You've got to be able to afford two players who actually achieve 10 WAR.

Order of ties in WAR is from stathead.com and presumably reflects unseen digits. 

Since 1903 number of seasons with WAR at least 10:

Batters: 58: high Babe Ruth 14.2; three did not lead league (5%):

AL Gehrig 1927 11.9, second to Ruth 12.6
AL Collins 1910 10.5, second to Cobb 10.5
NL Sosa 2001 10.3, second to Bonds 11.9

Pitchers: 53; high Walter Johnson 15.1; nine did not lead league (17%):

AL Chesbro 1904 10.4, second to Waddell 11.3
NL Mathewson 1903 10.5, second to McGinnity 12.3
AL Walsh 1910 11.1, second to Russ Ford 11.4
AL Walter Johnson 1910 10.4, third to Russ Ford 11.4
AL Walsh 1912 11.4, second to Walter Johnson 13.2
AL Smokey Joe Wood 1912 10.1, third to Walter Johnson 13.2
NL Ellsworth 1963 10.3, second to Koufax 10.7
NL Jenkins 1971 10.1, second to Seaver 10.2
AL Wilbur Wood 1972 10.7, second to Gaylord Perry 10.8

Multiple times in rough chronological order:

Batters 13:
Ruth 9
Hornsby 6
Mays 6
Cobb 3
Ted Williams 3
Mantle 3
Bonds 3
Wagner 2
Speaker 2
Gehrig 2
Yastrzemski 2
Ripken 2
Trout 2

Note: Hank Aaron 0; high 9.4 1961.

1961 Yankees: Mantle 10.4, Maris 6.9

Pitchers 13:
Walter Johnson 8
Walsh 3
Alexander 3
Grove 3
Mathewson 2
Vance 2
Koufax 2
Gibson 2
Seaver 2
Wilbur Wood 2
Carlton 2
Clemens 2
Randy Johnson 2

Teammates:

Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig at
United States Military Academy, West Point, NY
May 6, 1927
USMA, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons

Batters: Ruth 12.6 and Gehrig 11.9 1927.

Pitchers: none in the same year.

I didn't notice any year in which a batter and pitcher were on the same team.

For fields other than WAR for batters: BOLD is high, RED is low for the entire set of records.

Tops:

Batters:

RkPlayerWARSeasonAgeTeamLgGPAABRH1B2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+TB
1Babe Ruth14.2192328NYYAL152699522151205106451341130172117093.393.545.7641.309239399
2Babe Ruth12.9192126NYYAL15269354017720485441659168171314581.378.512.8461.359239457
3Babe Ruth12.6192732NYYAL15169154015819295298601657613789.356.486.7721.258225417
4Carl Yastrzemski12.5196727BOSAL161680579112189110314441211089169.326.418.6221.040193360
5Rogers Hornsby12.3192428STLNL143642536121227145431425945128932.424.507.6961.203222373
6Lou Gehrig11.9192724NYYAL15571758414921810152184717310810984.373.474.7651.240220447
7Babe Ruth11.9192025NYYAL1426174581581727336954135141415080.376.532.8471.379255388
8Barry Bonds11.9200136SFGNL153664476129156493227313713317793.328.515.8631.379259411
9Babe Ruth11.8192429NYYAL1536815291432001083974612491314281.378.513.7391.252220391
10Barry Bonds11.8200237SFGNL14361240311714970312461109219847.370.582.7991.381268322
11Babe Ruth11.6192631NYYAL1526524951391841023054715311914476.372.516.7371.253226365

Pitchers:

RkPlayerWARSeasonAgeTeamLgWLW-L%DecERAGGSCGSHOSVIPHRERHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPBFERA+
1Walter Johnson15.1191325WSHAL367.837431.14483629112346.023256449382439021,281259
2Walter Johnson13.2191224WSHAL3312.733451.3950373472369.02598957276303160111,413243
3Dwight Gooden12.2198520NYMNL244.857281.5335351680276.21985147136942682261,065229
4Joe McGinnity12.2190332NYGNL3120.608512.4355484432434.0391162117410917119051,786140
5Steve Carlton12.1197227PHINL2710.730371.9841413080346.12578476178783101281,351182
6Roger Clemens11.9199734TORAL217.750282.053434930264.02046560968129212041,044222
7Pete Alexander11.9192033CHCNL2714.659411.9146403375363.133596778691731031,447166
8Christy Mathewson11.8190827NYGNL3711.771481.43564434115390.228185625422593021,485169
9Eddie Cicotte11.8191733CHWAL2812.700401.5349352974346.224676592701503211,287174
10Wilbur Wood11.8197129CHWAL2213.629351.9144422271334.02729571216222107061,316189
11Pedro Martínez11.7200028BOSAL186.750241.742929740217.01284442173202841401817291
12Walter Johnson11.7191426WSHAL2818.609461.7251403391371.22878871374225111141,406164
13Walter Johnson11.6191527WSHAL2713.675401.5547393574336.2258835815620319071,280191

Most recent:

Batters:

RkPlayerWARSeasonAgeTeamLgGPAABRH1B2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSOPS+TB
22Mookie Betts10.7201825BOSAL1366145201291809647532803068191.346.438.6401.078186333
34Mike Trout10.5201624LAAAL15968154912317310732529100307116137.315.441.550.991173302
29Mike Trout10.5201220LAAAL139639559129182117278308349567139.326.399.564.963168315
24Barry Bonds10.6200439SFGNL14761737312913560273451016123241.362.609.8121.422263303
10Barry Bonds11.8200237SFGNL14361240311714970312461109219847.370.582.7991.381268322
8Barry Bonds11.9200136SFGNL153664476129156493227313713317793.328.515.8631.379259411
43Sammy Sosa10.3200132CHCNL160711577146189863456416002116153.328.437.7371.174203425
41Álex Rodríguez10.4200024SEAAL1486725541341759834241132154100121.316.420.6061.026163336
12Cal Ripken Jr.11.5199130BALAL1627176509921012546534114615346.323.374.566.940162368
55Cal Ripken Jr.10.0198423BALAL1627166411031951243772786217189.304.374.510.884146327
27Robin Yount10.6198226MILAL1567046351292101234612291141435463.331.379.578.957166367

Pitchers:

RkPlayerWARSeasonAgeTeamLgWLW-L%DecERAGGSCGSHOSVIPHRERHRBBIBBSOHBPBKWPBFERA+
36Zack Greinke10.4200925KCRAL168.667242.163333630229.1195645511510242405915205
25Randy Johnson10.7200238ARINL245.828292.323535840260.019778672671133413231,035195
47Randy Johnson10.1200137ARINL216.778272.493534320249.21817469197123721818994188
11Pedro Martínez11.7200028BOSAL186.750241.742929740217.01284442173202841401817291
6Roger Clemens11.9199734TORAL217.750282.053434930264.02046560968129212041,044222
35Roger Clemens10.4199027BOSAL216.778271.933131740228.119359497543209708920211
3Dwight Gooden12.2198520NYMNL244.857281.5335351680276.21985147136942682261,065229
45Steve Carlton10.2198035PHINL249.727332.3438381330304.0243877915901228627171,228162
53Phil Niekro10.0197839ATLNL1918.514372.8844422241334.1295129107161025248133111,389142

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