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Torres also had 14 walks, bases on balls (BB). 14 BB is good. Or it's a reflection of the AFL pitching.
Only 8 SO for 3 HR is good. If Torres hit 30 HR, he'd have only 80 SO. The Yankees would sign up for that right now, even if he did not also have 140 BB.
Unfortunately, the minor league numbers of Gleyber Torres do not suggest such optimism. In 2016 at A+ ball, playing first for the Cubs team, then the Yankees after Torres was traded for Aroldis Chapman in late July. Torres had 11 HR, 110 SO. Oh, OPS .775.
That's a ratio of 11 to 1. If Torres managed 22 HR and 220 SO, I don't think the Yankees would sign up for that. Torres had 58 BB. His numbers came in 547 plate appearances (PA), including 478 at bats (AB). In other words, Torres played pretty much a full season so doubling his HR and SO numbers is misleading. The 11 HR suggest that Torres is not much of a power hitter, at least not yet.
But the relationship raises questions. That's still a lot of SO per HR and Torres had about two SO per BB.
Here are the nine seasons in which a player had at least 200 SO:
Rk | Player | SO | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Mark Reynolds | 223 | 2009 | 25 | ARI | NL | 155 | 662 | 578 | 98 | 150 | 30 | 1 | 44 | 102 | 76 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 24 | 9 | .260 | .349 | .543 | .892 | *53/H |
2 | Adam Dunn | 222 | 2012 | 32 | CHW | AL | 151 | 649 | 539 | 87 | 110 | 19 | 0 | 41 | 96 | 105 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 1 | .204 | .333 | .468 | .800 | *D3/7H |
3 | Chris Davis | 219 | 2016 | 30 | BAL | AL | 157 | 665 | 566 | 99 | 125 | 21 | 0 | 38 | 84 | 88 | 3 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 0 | .221 | .332 | .459 | .792 | *3/9D |
4 | Chris Carter | 212 | 2013 | 26 | HOU | AL | 148 | 585 | 506 | 64 | 113 | 24 | 2 | 29 | 82 | 70 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 8 | 2 | 0 | .223 | .320 | .451 | .770 | 37D/H9 |
5 | Mark Reynolds | 211 | 2010 | 26 | ARI | NL | 145 | 596 | 499 | 79 | 99 | 17 | 2 | 32 | 85 | 83 | 7 | 9 | 0 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 4 | .198 | .320 | .433 | .753 | *5/3H |
6 | Chris Davis | 208 | 2015 | 29 | BAL | AL | 160 | 670 | 573 | 100 | 150 | 31 | 0 | 47 | 117 | 84 | 6 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 6 | 2 | 3 | .262 | .361 | .562 | .923 | *39D |
7 | Chris Carter | 206 | 2016 | 29 | MIL | NL | 160 | 644 | 549 | 84 | 122 | 27 | 1 | 41 | 94 | 76 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 10 | 18 | 3 | 1 | .222 | .321 | .499 | .821 | *3/HD |
8 | Drew Stubbs | 205 | 2011 | 26 | CIN | NL | 158 | 681 | 604 | 92 | 147 | 22 | 3 | 15 | 44 | 63 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 40 | 10 | .243 | .321 | .364 | .686 | *8/H |
9 | Mark Reynolds | 204 | 2008 | 24 | ARI | NL | 152 | 613 | 539 | 87 | 129 | 28 | 3 | 28 | 97 | 64 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 10 | 11 | 2 | .239 | .320 | .458 | .779 | *5/H3 |
Five players. Four individuals hit at least 40 HR with at least 200 SO. That's about 4 SO per HR. I'm guessing that most teams would find that acceptable if the player hit at least 40 HR. Plus, the OPS of those four seasons ranged from .800 to .923.
Adam Dunn had the one of the nine seasons with at least 100 BB, although his OPS was only .800. Amazingly only two of nine resulted in at least 100 RBI. Yikes.
Here are 11 seasons of at least 150 BB:
Rk | Player | BB | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | IBB | SO | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Barry Bonds | 232 | 2004 | 39 | SFG | NL | 147 | 617 | 373 | 129 | 135 | 27 | 3 | 45 | 101 | 120 | 41 | 9 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 1 | .362 | .609 | .812 | 1.422 | *7/HD |
2 | Barry Bonds | 198 | 2002 | 37 | SFG | NL | 143 | 612 | 403 | 117 | 149 | 31 | 2 | 46 | 110 | 68 | 47 | 9 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 9 | 2 | .370 | .582 | .799 | 1.381 | *7/DH |
3 | Barry Bonds | 177 | 2001 | 36 | SFG | NL | 153 | 664 | 476 | 129 | 156 | 32 | 2 | 73 | 137 | 35 | 93 | 9 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 13 | 3 | .328 | .515 | .863 | 1.379 | *7/DH |
4 | Babe Ruth | 170 | 1923 | 28 | NYY | AL | 152 | 697 | 522 | 151 | 205 | 45 | 13 | 41 | 130 | 93 | 4 | 3 | 17 | 21 | .393 | .545 | .764 | 1.309 | 97/83 | |||
5 | Mark McGwire | 162 | 1998 | 34 | STL | NL | 155 | 681 | 509 | 130 | 152 | 21 | 0 | 70 | 147 | 28 | 155 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 1 | 0 | .299 | .470 | .752 | 1.222 | *3/H |
6 | Ted Williams | 162 | 1949 | 30 | BOS | AL | 155 | 730 | 566 | 150 | 194 | 39 | 3 | 43 | 159 | 48 | 2 | 0 | 22 | 1 | 1 | .343 | .490 | .650 | 1.141 | *7 | ||
7 | Ted Williams | 162 | 1947 | 28 | BOS | AL | 156 | 692 | 528 | 125 | 181 | 40 | 9 | 32 | 114 | 47 | 2 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 1 | .343 | .499 | .634 | 1.133 | *7 | ||
8 | Ted Williams | 156 | 1946 | 27 | BOS | AL | 150 | 672 | 514 | 142 | 176 | 37 | 8 | 38 | 123 | 44 | 2 | 0 | 12 | 0 | 0 | .342 | .497 | .667 | 1.164 | *7 | ||
9 | Barry Bonds | 151 | 1996 | 31 | SFG | NL | 158 | 675 | 517 | 122 | 159 | 27 | 3 | 42 | 129 | 30 | 76 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 11 | 40 | 7 | .308 | .461 | .615 | 1.076 | *7/H8 |
10 | Eddie Yost | 151 | 1956 | 29 | WSH | AL | 152 | 684 | 515 | 94 | 119 | 17 | 2 | 11 | 53 | 9 | 82 | 8 | 9 | 1 | 8 | 8 | 5 | .231 | .412 | .336 | .748 | *5/H9 |
11 | Babe Ruth | 150 | 1920 | 25 | NYY | AL | 142 | 616 | 458 | 158 | 172 | 36 | 9 | 54 | 135 | 80 | 3 | 5 | 14 | 14 | .376 | .532 | .847 | 1.379 | *978/3H1 |
Five players again obviously skewed by managers being afraid of being fired for pitching to Bonds. Eddie Yost was known as the Walking Man. He was not a slugger and not a great hitter.
In six of the eleven seasons the batter led in HR. Only Yost had fewer than 100 RBI and a OPS well under 1.000: .748.
Only McGwire had more than 100 SO: 155; so he had about two SO per HR. That's about half the ratio of the 200 SO batters.
Bonds in 2004 had BB to SO of almost 6 to 1. Others were around 4-1, 3-1. The big boppers skew this.
Five players hit at least 60 HR:
Rk | Player | HR | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Barry Bonds | 73 | 2001 | 36 | SFG | NL | 153 | 664 | 476 | 129 | 156 | 32 | 2 | 137 | 177 | 35 | 93 | 9 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 13 | 3 | .328 | .515 | .863 | 1.379 | *7/DH |
2 | Mark McGwire | 70 | 1998 | 34 | STL | NL | 155 | 681 | 509 | 130 | 152 | 21 | 0 | 147 | 162 | 28 | 155 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 1 | 0 | .299 | .470 | .752 | 1.222 | *3/H |
3 | Sammy Sosa | 66 | 1998 | 29 | CHC | NL | 159 | 722 | 643 | 134 | 198 | 20 | 0 | 158 | 73 | 14 | 171 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 20 | 18 | 9 | .308 | .377 | .647 | 1.024 | *9/8 |
4 | Mark McGwire | 65 | 1999 | 35 | STL | NL | 153 | 661 | 521 | 118 | 145 | 21 | 1 | 147 | 133 | 21 | 141 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 12 | 0 | 0 | .278 | .424 | .697 | 1.120 | *3/H |
5 | Sammy Sosa | 64 | 2001 | 32 | CHC | NL | 160 | 711 | 577 | 146 | 189 | 34 | 5 | 160 | 116 | 37 | 153 | 6 | 0 | 12 | 6 | 0 | 2 | .328 | .437 | .737 | 1.174 | *9 |
6 | Sammy Sosa | 63 | 1999 | 30 | CHC | NL | 162 | 712 | 625 | 114 | 180 | 24 | 2 | 141 | 78 | 8 | 171 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 17 | 7 | 8 | .288 | .367 | .635 | 1.002 | *98 |
7 | Roger Maris | 61 | 1961 | 26 | NYY | AL | 161 | 698 | 590 | 132 | 159 | 16 | 4 | 141 | 94 | 0 | 67 | 7 | 0 | 7 | 16 | 0 | 0 | .269 | .372 | .620 | .993 | *98/H |
8 | Babe Ruth | 60 | 1927 | 32 | NYY | AL | 151 | 691 | 540 | 158 | 192 | 29 | 8 | 165 | 137 | 89 | 0 | 14 | 7 | 6 | .356 | .486 | .772 | 1.258 | *97 |
Only Maris, Ruth and Bonds had fewer than 100 SO, although Ruth led the league; Sosa led the league in SO in two of his three 60 HR seasons. Maris had almost a one to one ratio of HR to SO: 61 to 67.
Five of the eight seasons had at least 100 BB. The ratio between BB and SO varied a lot. McGwire was pretty even in his two seasons. Sosa had more than twice as many SO as BB in 2 of 3.
Even Sosa's worst SO to HR was only 2.7. That seems a lot more reasonable than the 4 to 1 of the 200 SO players.
Let's look at career numbers through 2015. Here are players with at least 500 HR sorted by HR:
First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Barry | Bonds | 9847 | 762 | 2558 | 1539 | 2.02 | .60 | 3.36 |
Hank | Aaron | 12364 | 755 | 1402 | 1383 | 1.83 | .99 | 1.86 |
Babe | Ruth | 8398 | 714 | 2062 | 1330 | 1.86 | .65 | 2.89 |
Alex | Rodriguez | 10341 | 687 | 1324 | 2220 | 3.23 | 1.68 | 1.93 |
Willie | Mays | 10881 | 660 | 1464 | 1526 | 2.31 | 1.04 | 2.22 |
Ken | Griffey | 9801 | 630 | 1312 | 1779 | 2.82 | 1.36 | 2.08 |
Jim | Thome | 8422 | 612 | 1747 | 2548 | 4.16 | 1.46 | 2.85 |
Sammy | Sosa | 8813 | 609 | 929 | 2306 | 3.79 | 2.48 | 1.53 |
Frank | Robinson | 10006 | 586 | 1420 | 1532 | 2.61 | 1.08 | 2.42 |
Mark | McGwire | 6187 | 583 | 1317 | 1596 | 2.74 | 1.21 | 2.26 |
Harmon | Killebrew | 8147 | 573 | 1559 | 1699 | 2.97 | 1.09 | 2.72 |
Rafael | Palmeiro | 10472 | 569 | 1353 | 1348 | 2.37 | 1.00 | 2.38 |
Reggie | Jackson | 9864 | 563 | 1375 | 2597 | 4.61 | 1.89 | 2.44 |
Albert | Pujols | 8545 | 560 | 1165 | 978 | 1.75 | .84 | 2.08 |
Manny | Ramirez | 8244 | 555 | 1329 | 1813 | 3.27 | 1.36 | 2.39 |
Mike | Schmidt | 8352 | 548 | 1507 | 1883 | 3.44 | 1.25 | 2.75 |
Mickey | Mantle | 8102 | 536 | 1733 | 1710 | 3.19 | .99 | 3.23 |
Jimmie | Foxx | 8134 | 534 | 1452 | 1311 | 2.46 | .90 | 2.72 |
Willie | McCovey | 8197 | 521 | 1345 | 1550 | 2.98 | 1.15 | 2.58 |
Ted | Williams | 7706 | 521 | 2021 | 709 | 1.36 | .35 | 3.88 |
Frank | Thomas | 8199 | 521 | 1667 | 1397 | 2.68 | .84 | 3.20 |
Eddie | Mathews | 8537 | 512 | 1444 | 1487 | 2.90 | 1.03 | 2.82 |
Ernie | Banks | 9421 | 512 | 763 | 1236 | 2.41 | 1.62 | 1.49 |
Mel | Ott | 9456 | 511 | 1708 | 896 | 1.75 | .52 | 3.34 |
Gary | Sheffield | 9217 | 509 | 1475 | 1171 | 2.30 | .79 | 2.90 |
Eddie | Murray | 11336 | 504 | 1333 | 1516 | 3.01 | 1.14 | 2.64 |
David | Ortiz | 8103 | 503 | 1239 | 1664 | 3.31 | 1.34 | 2.46 |
SO/HR:
high: Reggie Jackson 4.61
middle (14th lowest): Mark McGwire 2.74
low: Ted Williams 1.36
SO/BB:
high: Sammy Sosa 2.48, way more than second highest Jackson 1.89
middle (14th lowest): Frank Robinson 1.08; Mickey Mantle .99, almost dead even at 10th lowest
low: Ted Williams .35
BB/HR:
high: Ted Williams 3.38
middle (14th lowest): Willie McCovey 2.58
low: Ernie Banks 1.49
Finally, top and bottom five for the 1,028 batters 1903-2015 minimum 4,000 AB:
SO/HR:
playerID | First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR | MinOfyearID | MaxOfyearID |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
dimagjo01 | Joe | DiMaggio | 6821 | 361 | 790 | 369 | 1.02 | .47 | 2.19 | 1936 | 1951 |
berrayo01 | Yogi | Berra | 7555 | 358 | 704 | 414 | 1.16 | .59 | 1.97 | 1946 | 1965 |
kluszte01 | Ted | Kluszewski | 5929 | 279 | 492 | 365 | 1.31 | .74 | 1.76 | 1947 | 1961 |
willite01 | Ted | Williams | 7706 | 521 | 2021 | 709 | 1.36 | .35 | 3.88 | 1939 | 1960 |
lombaer01 | Ernie | Lombardi | 5855 | 190 | 430 | 262 | 1.38 | .61 | 2.26 | 1931 | 1947 |
playerID | First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR | MinOfyearID | MaxOfyearID |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
bluelu01 | Lu | Blue | 5904 | 44 | 1092 | 436 | 9.91 | .40 | 24.82 | 1921 | 1933 |
careyma01 | Max | Carey | 9363 | 70 | 1040 | 695 | 9.93 | .67 | 14.86 | 1910 | 1929 |
severha01 | Hank | Severeid | 4312 | 17 | 331 | 169 | 9.94 | .51 | 19.47 | 1911 | 1926 |
duganjo01 | Joe | Dugan | 5410 | 42 | 250 | 419 | 9.98 | 1.68 | 5.95 | 1917 | 1931 |
harrebu01 | Bud | Harrelson | 4744 | 7 | 633 | 653 | 93.29 | 1.03 | 90.43 | 1965 | 1980 |
SO/BB:
playerID | First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR | MinOfyearID | MaxOfyearID |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
seweljo01 | Joe | Sewell | 7132 | 49 | 842 | 114 | 2.33 | .14 | 17.18 | 1920 | 1933 |
speaktr01 | Tris | Speaker | 10195 | 117 | 1381 | 220 | 1.88 | .16 | 11.80 | 1907 | 1928 |
devliar01 | Art | Devlin | 4412 | 10 | 576 | 105 | 10.50 | .18 | 57.60 | 1904 | 1913 |
bridwal01 | Al | Bridwell | 4169 | 2 | 557 | 98 | 49.00 | .18 | 278.50 | 1905 | 1915 |
titusjo01 | John | Titus | 4960 | 38 | 620 | 116 | 3.05 | .19 | 16.32 | 1903 | 1913 |
playerID | First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR | MinOfyearID | MaxOfyearID |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
jonesad01 | Adam | Jones | 4728 | 196 | 219 | 973 | 4.96 | 4.44 | 1.12 | 2006 | 2015 |
patteco01 | Corey | Patterson | 4171 | 118 | 206 | 933 | 7.91 | 4.53 | 1.75 | 2000 | 2011 |
duncama01 | Mariano | Duncan | 4677 | 87 | 201 | 913 | 10.49 | 4.54 | 2.31 | 1985 | 1997 |
armasto01 | Tony | Armas | 5164 | 251 | 260 | 1201 | 4.78 | 4.62 | 1.04 | 1976 | 1989 |
dunstsh01 | Shawon | Dunston | 5927 | 150 | 203 | 1000 | 6.67 | 4.93 | 1.35 | 1985 | 2002 |
BB/HR:
playerID | First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR | MinOfyearID | MaxOfyearID |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
armasto01 | Tony | Armas | 5164 | 251 | 260 | 1201 | 4.78 | 4.62 | 1.04 | 1976 | 1989 |
gonzaju03 | Juan | Gonzalez | 6556 | 434 | 457 | 1273 | 2.93 | 2.79 | 1.05 | 1989 | 2005 |
jonesad01 | Adam | Jones | 4728 | 196 | 219 | 973 | 4.96 | 4.44 | 1.12 | 2006 | 2015 |
soriaal01 | Alfonso | Soriano | 7750 | 412 | 496 | 1803 | 4.38 | 3.64 | 1.20 | 1999 | 2014 |
willima04 | Matt | Williams | 7000 | 378 | 469 | 1363 | 3.61 | 2.91 | 1.24 | 1987 | 2003 |
playerID | First | Last | AB | HR | BB | SO | SO/HR | SO/BB | BB/HR | MinOfyearID | MaxOfyearID |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
galanau01 | Augie | Galan | 5937 | 100 | 979 | 393 | 3.93 | .40 | 9.79 | 1934 | 1949 |
rosepe01 | Pete | Rose | 14053 | 160 | 1566 | 1143 | 7.14 | .73 | 9.79 | 1963 | 1986 |
schulfr02 | Fred | Schulte | 4259 | 47 | 462 | 361 | 7.68 | .78 | 9.83 | 1927 | 1937 |
kreevmi01 | Mike | Kreevich | 4676 | 45 | 446 | 339 | 7.53 | .76 | 9.91 | 1931 | 1945 |
harrebu01 | Bud | Harrelson | 4744 | 7 | 633 | 653 | 93.29 | 1.03 | 90.43 | 1965 | 1980 |
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